thanks and of course no problemo… I'm glad you do it, blog awak pun best.
Saya x sempat buat artikel lagi, cuma promote bebuku pasal comics study ngan sedikit intro.
hai, kievuire. How are you? Long time no see.
Saya dengar awak dah settle-kan study.
Mind the 'ideologies' its just a false believe, so this 'function of comics' has become another realities. hahaha…
Insya Allah, Tuan Hairi… (wah dengar kata 'tuan' saya merasa dah tua sangat.. hehe).
Sekarang ni saya masih bertungkus lumus nak membetulkan tulisan2, rasa tak konfiden lagi. Penulisan saya mungkin lebih kepada apresiasi dan kritisisme kepada komik-komik dari pekomik2 muda.
Saya dok belakang kedai McD jer. hehe…
kalu ada senang, jom kita berjumpa. hehe…
Jangan risau, artikel tu saya punyer. Kalu berminat saya boleh fotostat-kan, senang kita jumpa dekat McDonald sec.3 sebelah caltex. Kalau nak sy post-kan boleh gak.
It's hell to parking a car at school. hehe…
About my thesis writing progress is still on the way… hehe.. simply to say its about how to appreciate local comics, and deviously to say its about how do we listening to comics while reading and viewing them.
kalu punya gmail boleh register kat gigapedia.info, search n download. Kena pandai2 cari keywords Tengok nasib, x semua buku ada e-book @ pdf.
Skarang ni sy x sempat upload pdf yg ader, buku2 komik x popular takde lagi pdf- ader pun sket yg lama (90's).
Ini topik dah lama terbiar. Bagi sesiapa yang berminat membuat kajian akademik komik, sila kunjungi blog ini: http://karnamustaqim.blogspot.com/
Saya letak sebahagian besar buku2 berkenaan ngan studi komik (comics scholarship). Mulai daripada research methods, visual art, literature, dan comics studies.
Sebahagian ader dalam koleksi saya (sebagian fotostat @ pdf). Kalu diantara kekawan @ kawan daripada kawan yg memerlukan, mungkin saya boleh tolong fotostat-kan.
Mungkin dapat di bagi era by era (mula dari thn.30's, 40's,50's so on), @ categorization based on content (humour, comics, history, hikayat, lagenda, etc.) @ market reader., genre, comics type (editorial cartoon, gag cartoon, comicstrip, single panel)., etc.
mm… sy ader sket idea, dah pernah cakap ngan Azhar gak. Pasal nak buat art talk pasal komik kat UiTM. Sem ni sy cuti extend sebab urus ayah sakit. so harap2 next sem boleh mulakan studi balik dan next year boleh cadangkan kekawan untuk bagi talk pasal review komik-komik lama nie. Mungkin Prof. Muliyadi boleh tolong jadi moderator. Kena set awal2 kalu tak banyak la pengkoh kat skul.
if you guys don't mind to share it. Concept @ discussion subject boleh discuss lagi, mungkin Pekomik @ MBBY boleh tolong setting kan. just an idea. Tq
btw, ader tak sesiapa yang dah pernah published tulis pasal komik-komik (buku komik) mcm ni kat majalah @ suratkabar @ media lainnya?
coz, i think this type of comics were almost invisible in the historical writing of malaysian comics. And most of the people only recognized under the great name of Dato Lat that only particular type of cartoon @ humour comics as Malaysian comics.
i need particular writing on this kind of malaysian old comics for my research. i need to relate it to current hybrid comics style.
in my opinion, the next generation of malaysian comics will take a different path from their senior cartoonist generation. how about you?
Sy nak bagi idea sket jer… lagi best kalu review komik lama-lama ini ader format mcm chronological @ timeline @ “Milestone of Malaysian Comics before and After Independence”?
Memang takde kena mengena ngan nak jadi jaguh komik, tapi ianya boleh jadi khazanah Malaysian Heritage.
umm…kalu manga genre 'love' 'drama' shoujou (for girls/ awek style)Candy-candy camtu>? dan ader tak impact lagi awal mcm anime voltes V, saint saiya, gundam series… ?
agaknya ader tak kekawan yg pernah tulis kat blog or website pasal 'the earliest and most influence manga in malaysia'?
ur welcome. Semoga database cepat siap, supaya sesiapa yang punya info pasal komik2 zaman dahulu dapat ikut melengkapi data sejarah komik m'sia. amin.
Cuba contact Prof. Norwani (Dr.Nonie), Puan Nora adalah ibu PRof Nonie.
Saya rencana nak jumpa gak, tapi tak sempat, maybe next month.
Prof Nonie 0126108145. Rumah beliau dekat kg.tunku PJ.
Galeri Shah Alam pernah buat pameran Nora Abdullah, mungkin boleh diskusi gak ngan Tuan Haji Said, curator galery. 0123097813
Dr. Suhaimi kat upsi pernah gak interview beliau, saya baca buku dari thesis dia pasal Sejarah Kesedaran Visual orang Melayu. Mungkin boleh gak diskusi ngan beliau 0122990159
waks! kalu macam tu aku serahkan pada azhaar, biar dia yang buat research sal komik-komik lama ni. hehe..
aku rasa dah upload a few scanned image of old comic
aku rasa ruangan ini perlu untuk mereka yg nak belajar buat komik ala melayu ke
nak buat artikel pasal perkembangan komik di Malaysia ka…
apa-apa sahaja janji kita boleh share
at least tambah ilmu sedikit dalam mengenali komik-komik tanah air…
dalam stok simpanan aku saja ada dlm dekat 100 komik lama era 70an, 80an dan 90an…
itu yg aku nak selama ini…
dan lepas tu aku rasa, kalau sesapa yg rajin nak photostat tu boleh la distribute among kengkawan utk buat simpanan ke, buat koleksi ke, buat frame ke, apa-apa je laaa
so, macam-macam ada! :pergh:
p/s: avatar aku dah color, thanks to amirzakirana
salam…madstone. engkaulah orang yang aku cari selama ini. Old comics collector.
Sy karna, tengah buat kajian sal komik kontemporari tempatan, bab sejarah komik sy perlukan gambar2 dan nama2 kartunis dan komik artist yang lama2 ni. Sy ada cadangan, tak tau kampus tempat sy belajar nak bagi ke tak, tapi sy nak buatkan satu pameran kecik, tajuk dia 'The Spirit of Comics: Malaysia's Comics Generation to generation”
Komik menurut pakar sejarah seni adalah satu illustrasi yang membawa kepada kesedaran visual kata tanah melayu.
Sy kena jumpa ngan awak la Madstone, boleh tak? Boleh tak awak jadi respondent research sy? Please… please… please…
Komik-komik tu kena kita pamerkan, tapi baik scan dan print, photostat takut rosak.
thanks for your existence.
well, there are many possibilities to choose heavy topics for research, but my consideration is to look back at the condition of our own comics position. We should realize that comics studies has not yet been a significant study. My consideration also not to make myself as an author, if i only want to be an author, i don't need to do any research. Just find some comics and do several analysis on it then publish it internationally. I don't need any legitimation for my writing. But research attitude is different for me. I have to re-search and find a suitable study that has the most significant to current comics situation here. Within my time constrain, i saw even there is nobody wrote about the 'map' of our local comics scene, academically of course, but we know everybody are talked about it, arguing about it. And i'm not the comics expert, i'm just a researcher, i'm willing to collect all the debates, opinions, pro & cons, report it by analyzing and interpret it, and i wish at the end, it could be benefit back to the comics society.
if then, our local comics movement become better, and we found better comics, better awareness from society, then the next researcher can go further and deepen their study. If our local comics industry become better and better, then there would be lots of high quality comics or high art comics that need to further discuss, research and critics. Then, maybe comics can be part of literature, media and philosophy significant subject.
Thats why all your stories, opinion, pro&con are very fruitful thought. i hope you guys understand why i'm trying to do. Even if we can follow an artist such as jafaar taib working on a project, from zero to finish, it could also be a good research. Recording, discussing, observing etc. and come up with the writing. That the process from nothing to something can be consider as the art itself, the concept itself. we will never know what will happen in the mid of our study. for me that is the beauty of research rather then become an author. just my 2 cent.
this is an interesting link about grass root comics. whoever has enter the gramscian thought and paolo freirie (how to write his name?) might found it nice/: http://www.worldcomics.fi/grassroots_comics.pdf (15 MB.)
Maaf, kievuire. aku ader baca reply tp kelmarin2 tu x sempat nak balas ngan proper. hehe.. i'm doing this study at uitm under dr.muliyadi.
Buku2 tu saya punya, kalu nak saya boleh tolong photostat-kan.
the comics journal, sy ader beberapa edisi, especially yg 30years coz same with me. haha…
kalu Wertham, buku tu dah really rare, tapi sy punya buku dari bart beaty yg mana ia cuba explain balik pemikiran Wertham.
Kalu ader masa kita boleh meeting, ups.. sembang2 jer. tukar2 info. thanx anyway, and sorry for my belated reply.
oya, about the local comics from the past, it relates to my literature review and background study, which needs a general introduction for the 'comics' term itself from historical progression point of view, an overview of world comics and then summary of the history of local comics.
historical is an interesting area of study, especially in comics, but it takes time and effort that need much longer times. I wish there would be another researcher like to take the task of documenting old local comics.
excatly, my study is for current mainstream, thats why the title would be something like malaysian contemporary comics, and yes, my methods is called triangulation for the validity. start from experts of culture critics, media critics, and comics reviewer. then, people from the industry, focus on magazines, humor/comics magz. my own self reflexivity, by using some theoretical framework (like eisner, mccloud, and thierry groensteen). then i need to confirm and drag conclusion by compare it with general comics reader or fans.
about the comics genre or category, i have found some useful comics website who provides selections of comic's genre, form and others, such as http://www.onlinecomics.net/pages/resources/
thank you. and i'm thinking about to take you as one of my respondent from online base-research. i have 2 years to complete my task, so i hope you have much time to discuss some issue in local comics scene and such.
Guys, i need your help. it relates to defense my research proposal. at 22nd this mont, I will be in a battle-area to fight for defending thesis about Malaysian Contemporary comics: A Study on Cultural Expression of Comics.
panelist nak tajuk yg nampak mcm heavy, actually it is just a research about current malaysian comics condition. As a foreigner, i wish i can decrease my biasness by learning and studying local comics which i don't have much knowledge about it.
Some of the lecturer insisted me to do a theoretical or philosophical work on certain artist. I like the work of Dato Lat very much, and i praise alot to AIE works. that is an example. I will quote and discuss their work in my research, but i cannot do that kind of research because i know i will be very bias in my writing. and i'm not willing to be an author of comics theory.
My intention is to provide a comprehensive brief of the malaysian current comics. there would be so many methods that i can use, so i have to limit it within my constrain time.
but for the first step, i need to get a big picture about the difference between comics and cartoon, from historical point of view and local artists perspective. If there any one who have collection of old comics (strips or books), or knew somebody who was a collector, or even if you only have pictures or link to the old comics pictures, it would be very helpful for me.
Then the other things i need your opinion, would it be more significant to study current comics condition/scene rather than examining particularly one of the old comics such as Lat, Regee Lee, Ujang, etc, because of their big names and contribution to cartoon scene?
please be honest, its okay for me, because from your comment, i can predict what will the panels says and how to come over it.
thanx. and sorry for my poor english writing. i hope u could understand what i'm trying to say here.
komik boleh rekod sejarah..
Writer André Bérélowitch & Jean Ollivier
Lokesan Jaime Marzal-Canos & Enric Sio.. hebat lokesan depa nie..
sumber akoo dari sini.. http://www.zilverendolfijn.nl/zd/zd.pl?a=fc&c=0&kt=NL&s=c&k=ONTDEKKI%2C2&f=sb
then sini untuk dua artis di atas..
thanx for the links, i appreciate it much.
errr….bleh tak bagik rumusan ringkas tentang topik nih??gua tak paham lerr….almaklumla..sekolah tak tinggi sangat….
ups, sori, kemarin ni tak sempat nak reply one by one. Simply to say, if comics has a function (not as a mechanic tools to repair or built something), perhaps it has an effect and affect to its society where the comics belongs.
topik ni sederhan jer: Aper guna komik (membaca komik, menengok komik, critics on comics, etc) daripada 'readership' dan 'authorship' (pembaca dan pengkarya)?
Aper guna komik kat masyarakat kita?
I donno if i make sense… but somehow COMICS reflects the SOCIETY that they belong to…
Thanks for these words. I also have a short article talk about 'comics reflects society' but i did'nt found much writer or scholars wrote about specifically related to function of comics amongst readerships and authorships.
Itu yang saya nak kaji, to identify and to give big picture about the society condition, and come out with .. maybe a mapping concept that can give suggestion or a strategic brief for PeKomik to post their positioning in our comics society.
Thanks for your input. Ader tak someone yang dah identify masyarakat komik kat masyarakt (society of malaysian comics)?
I mean, who are included as 'society' in comics? Is there any comprehensive research on the characteristics of our comics readers? Not that one from audit circulation or marketing planner lol.
I'm interested to discover and to make a mapping on Malaysian comic's society. Can you please share some thought or opinion about it?
did any of you join the 24 hour comics?
sebenarnya idea pasal membuat kajian 'social function' ni sebab i read a journal article 'the social function of political humor' (journal of popular culture 1990)
lepas tu lama i carik dalam net something similar to comics.. but i found none.
i concluded that comics is still marginalized, here and there we have some comics and cartoons magz, many readers, many youngster or adult want to be comics artist, tapi orang2 tak kisah komik tu ader ke tak, our society looks like feel nothing so important with comics existence.
So, i decided to reveal some facts that showing the important sides of comics. But here comes the problem, who said that in east asia, especially in Malaysia, comics are marginalized? is it true comics has been ignored all these time?
At certain point, comics has been ignored from being recognized as a serious medium that have impact to our society. We often hear people blaming comics for laziness and narrow minded. But there were not much serious study on comics issues. Most of magazines and newspapers wrote comics reviews, but rarely criticizing it.
Does comics give value to its reader?
those questions keep coming to my mind. if anyone have some reference that guide to the problem that stated comics are marginalized and has been ignored from serious discussion or public interest or subject of study, please let me know.
compare to political humor, the writer of the article wrote that political humor has many social functions.
defining politicla concepts, disarming the critics, establishing detente, establishing a position or maknig a point, exposure of chauvinism, exposure of ineptitude, exporsure of oppression, relief of tension, substitution for physical conflict.
i think its quite similar to comics.
let me ask you guys, do you agree that becoming a comics artist or cartoonist need an extra effort which means comics artist still struggling for their existence? can it be true? what do you think?
if we compare to the functions of art, i would offers :
] Personal Function of Comics
] The Social Function of Comics
] The Pgysical Function of Comics
perhaps, we could categorize or devide into it.